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		<title>By: The Challenge of Freedom Part II &#124; in-the-news.net</title>
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		<title>By: PJPony</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are losing our freedoms on a daily basis and I fear that until this is realized, America and Americans are being replaced with the diversity of the European style. We are losing the diversity of the individual, which is the type of diversity that made America unique.

Everyone in this country has had the freedom to be anything we set our minds to. Unfortunately, now we are once again being held down by the beliefs of a few. We are being told we cannot succeed above our station in life if we are black, we cannot succeed above a certain level if we are white unless standards are lowered for others first and we have allowed ourselves to be placed last so as not to offend others. We cannot pray unless we do it in secret, yet we must make allowances for Muslims to pray five times a day to mecca and provide a place to do it. 

We have made so many allowances for others that we are losing who we, as a nation, were meant to be. Islam mmakes NO allowance for diversity, only conformity. Unless we remember who we were at the time we were founded, we will find ourselves having to choose between being Americans or Muslims. There will be no inbetween. Islam or death is the choice we will be given.</description>
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<p>Everyone in this country has had the freedom to be anything we set our minds to. Unfortunately, now we are once again being held down by the beliefs of a few. We are being told we cannot succeed above our station in life if we are black, we cannot succeed above a certain level if we are white unless standards are lowered for others first and we have allowed ourselves to be placed last so as not to offend others. We cannot pray unless we do it in secret, yet we must make allowances for Muslims to pray five times a day to mecca and provide a place to do it. </p>
<p>We have made so many allowances for others that we are losing who we, as a nation, were meant to be. Islam mmakes NO allowance for diversity, only conformity. Unless we remember who we were at the time we were founded, we will find ourselves having to choose between being Americans or Muslims. There will be no inbetween. Islam or death is the choice we will be given.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Carolyn in PA&lt;/b&gt;:

Ditto-couldn&#039;t have stated it better!</description>
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<p>Ditto-couldn&#8217;t have stated it better!</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by juanitocabrone: &quot;The Challenge of Freedom&quot; http://is.gd/5GdRc by @doc_0 &quot;swindlers who steal trillions with midnight votes?&quot; I *loves* that man #tcot #gwot...</description>
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		<title>By: Another Year - Heck - Another Decade is Over &#124; The Lonely Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Year - Heck - Another Decade is Over &#124; The Lonely Conservative</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] battle the enemies of liberty overseas, let us fight in our own way here at home to preserve the freedom we&#8217;ve inherited, the freedom that&#8217;s now in peril. It&#8217;s been eroded over time, but America remains a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sdunn96</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOne wrote:
&quot;Truth is a subjective concept, despite how we frame it. As Milton states, once trapped, she becomes like Proteus … insubstantial and indistinguishable. Our version of truth is never, with 100% certainty, clear; we need everyone’s input and perspective in order to fashion a version that is probably closer to the truth, but never quite reaching it.&quot;


Man I don&#039;t know.....sounds to philisophical too me.
I believe that while some &quot;truths&quot; could be subjective....
Some are 100% certain.
Truth is that Castro is a burden to his country and people, same for Kim Jong Il and N. Korea.
Truth is that a centrally planned economy does not work, i.e. Soviet Union.
Truth is that the young generation of Iran wants freedom and that the hard line of Sharia law is not in favor of freedom.</description>
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&#8220;Truth is a subjective concept, despite how we frame it. As Milton states, once trapped, she becomes like Proteus … insubstantial and indistinguishable. Our version of truth is never, with 100% certainty, clear; we need everyone’s input and perspective in order to fashion a version that is probably closer to the truth, but never quite reaching it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Man I don&#8217;t know&#8230;..sounds to philisophical too me.<br />
I believe that while some &#8220;truths&#8221; could be subjective&#8230;.<br />
Some are 100% certain.<br />
Truth is that Castro is a burden to his country and people, same for Kim Jong Il and N. Korea.<br />
Truth is that a centrally planned economy does not work, i.e. Soviet Union.<br />
Truth is that the young generation of Iran wants freedom and that the hard line of Sharia law is not in favor of freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: sdunn96</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;KendraWilder&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Although I’m not prone to defending GW Bush, in this instance I feel compelled to offer another perspective.
In the case of Radical Islamists, I don’t think anyone, including the Intelligence Community and the Pentagon, could have imagined just how relentless and ruthless these jihad terrorists could be and would be, until 9/11 and beyond. Throughout the world, including unfortunately the United Nations members/representatives, information was disseminated via the powers that be through a Legacy Media with preconceived notions and an agenda/meme, and that agenda was primarily to charge that the United States of America is the big, bad, capitalist country, and anyone who opposed them by any means must have been justified in doing so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I salute Bush on how he handled the terrorists, after watching Obama handle things, I full believe now that Bush has been right.
Where I think he went wrong and wasted precious resources and blood was when he listened to the hawks around him, to build a case for Iraq (done by fear...something that they have been doing very well ever since).
Sadaam, love him or hate him, was not a &quot;religious&quot; Muslim....in fact while he was in power his whole nation was afraid of him, and he had no problems.  By having that crazy man there, it also kept Iran in check.....don&#039;t forget they have fought each other.  

I wish Bush would have focused all our efforts and energy from the beginning on Afghanistan.
I think he totally caught them off guard and they had no way to mount a defensive posture.
I think if Bush would have kept on Afghanistan from the beginning....things would be very different now.
And Iran would not be doing the crap they do now.  

Now we have a president in office who is afraid of the word win or victory unless it involves basketball.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Although I’m not prone to defending GW Bush, in this instance I feel compelled to offer another perspective.<br />
In the case of Radical Islamists, I don’t think anyone, including the Intelligence Community and the Pentagon, could have imagined just how relentless and ruthless these jihad terrorists could be and would be, until 9/11 and beyond. Throughout the world, including unfortunately the United Nations members/representatives, information was disseminated via the powers that be through a Legacy Media with preconceived notions and an agenda/meme, and that agenda was primarily to charge that the United States of America is the big, bad, capitalist country, and anyone who opposed them by any means must have been justified in doing so.</p></blockquote>
<p>I salute Bush on how he handled the terrorists, after watching Obama handle things, I full believe now that Bush has been right.<br />
Where I think he went wrong and wasted precious resources and blood was when he listened to the hawks around him, to build a case for Iraq (done by fear&#8230;something that they have been doing very well ever since).<br />
Sadaam, love him or hate him, was not a &#8220;religious&#8221; Muslim&#8230;.in fact while he was in power his whole nation was afraid of him, and he had no problems.  By having that crazy man there, it also kept Iran in check&#8230;..don&#8217;t forget they have fought each other.  </p>
<p>I wish Bush would have focused all our efforts and energy from the beginning on Afghanistan.<br />
I think he totally caught them off guard and they had no way to mount a defensive posture.<br />
I think if Bush would have kept on Afghanistan from the beginning&#8230;.things would be very different now.<br />
And Iran would not be doing the crap they do now.  </p>
<p>Now we have a president in office who is afraid of the word win or victory unless it involves basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: DOne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ev, you&#039;re absolutely right; it&#039;s a sort of existentialist existence where (naturally) doubt, uncertainty, and a bit of self-loathing comes into the equation.  :)

Like Milton states later in his work, it does not prohibit us from the constant seeking of an objective truth.  Despite the fact that she is unattainable, we are not absolved of the responsibility of the drive to define her.  Unfortunately, though, bits of truth are found in the evil as well as the good.</description>
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<p>Like Milton states later in his work, it does not prohibit us from the constant seeking of an objective truth.  Despite the fact that she is unattainable, we are not absolved of the responsibility of the drive to define her.  Unfortunately, though, bits of truth are found in the evil as well as the good.</p>
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		<title>By: ev</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOne, I had the sneaking suspicion that objective truth would be the root of our disagreement.  
What I always find interesting is the idea that one who subscribes to a relativistic world view point can take a stand on anything. The logic will always break down when dealing with relativism.  If there is no objective truth, then globally nothing matters. The humanist should only care about themselves and their own advancement during their time here on earth. There is no foundation for a global argument about anything.
	It doesn’t matter what they do in Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Venezuela, Cuba, or anywhere else, because that action can be explained, and rationalized relatively.  You may believe in the value of all human life and freedom, but without an absolute truth, it doesn’t matter if Chavez or the mullahs believe in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Reply('305','ev'); return false;">Reply</a>  |  <a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Quote('305','ev'); return false;">Quote</a></div><span id="co_305"><p>DOne, I had the sneaking suspicion that objective truth would be the root of our disagreement.<br />
What I always find interesting is the idea that one who subscribes to a relativistic world view point can take a stand on anything. The logic will always break down when dealing with relativism.  If there is no objective truth, then globally nothing matters. The humanist should only care about themselves and their own advancement during their time here on earth. There is no foundation for a global argument about anything.<br />
	It doesn’t matter what they do in Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Venezuela, Cuba, or anywhere else, because that action can be explained, and rationalized relatively.  You may believe in the value of all human life and freedom, but without an absolute truth, it doesn’t matter if Chavez or the mullahs believe in it.</p>
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		<title>By: DOne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent argument ev!  And thank you for welcoming me.

We on the left espouse, as you state: &quot;Everyone should have a voice and all their opinions should be considered and we should find the happy middle, blah blah blah.&quot;  This really should not be trivialized.  Truth is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; as objective a thing as you state.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Yet is it not impossible that [Truth] may have more shapes than one. What else is all that rank of things indifferent wherein Truth may be on this side or on the other, without being unlike herself?  -John Milton&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Truth is a subjective concept, despite how we frame it.  As Milton states, once trapped, she becomes like Proteus ... insubstantial and indistinguishable.  Our version of truth is never, with 100% certainty, clear; we need everyone&#039;s input and perspective in order to fashion a version that is probably closer to the truth, but never quite reaching it.

But, I&#039;m rambling.  (Sorry)

Despite the fact that I abhor violence and despise the Chavezes, Ahmadinejads, and Ayatollahs of the world, their and their people&#039;s version of truth is different than our own.  We call for freedom, but their vision and version of what freedom &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; is entirely subjective.  Let us understand them completely before we begin shouting them down.</description>
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<p>We on the left espouse, as you state: &#8220;Everyone should have a voice and all their opinions should be considered and we should find the happy middle, blah blah blah.&#8221;  This really should not be trivialized.  Truth is <i>not</i> as objective a thing as you state.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Yet is it not impossible that [Truth] may have more shapes than one. What else is all that rank of things indifferent wherein Truth may be on this side or on the other, without being unlike herself?  -John Milton</p></blockquote>
<p>Truth is a subjective concept, despite how we frame it.  As Milton states, once trapped, she becomes like Proteus &#8230; insubstantial and indistinguishable.  Our version of truth is never, with 100% certainty, clear; we need everyone&#8217;s input and perspective in order to fashion a version that is probably closer to the truth, but never quite reaching it.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;m rambling.  (Sorry)</p>
<p>Despite the fact that I abhor violence and despise the Chavezes, Ahmadinejads, and Ayatollahs of the world, their and their people&#8217;s version of truth is different than our own.  We call for freedom, but their vision and version of what freedom <i>is</i> is entirely subjective.  Let us understand them completely before we begin shouting them down.</p>
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